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Comments on the AP College Football Poll: November 30, 2025

1) Ohio State 12-0
2) Indiana 12-0
3) Georgia 11-1
4) Oregon 11-1
5) Texas Tech 11-1
6) Mississippi 11-1
7) Texas A&M 11-1
8) Oklahoma 10-2
9) Notre Dame 10-2
10) Alabama 10-2
11) Brigham Young 11-1
12) Miami (Florida) 10-2
13) Vanderbilt 10-2
14) Texas 9-3
15) Utah 10-2
16) Virginia 10-2
17) Southern Cal 9-3
18) Michigan 9-3
19) James Madison 11-1
20) North Texas 11-1
21) Tulane 10-2
22) Arizona 9-3
23) Navy 9-2
24) Georgia Tech 9-3
25) Missouri 8-4

Others Receiving Votes
Tennessee 8-4
Houston 9-3
Iowa 8-4
UNLV 10-2
New Mexico 9-3
South Florida 9-3
Southern Methodist 8-4
Iowa State 8-4
North Dakota State 12-0
Louisville 8-4
Connecticut 9-3
Arizona State 8-4
Illinois 8-4
Washington 8-4
Pittsburgh 8-4
San Diego State 9-3
If you've been wondering why I haven't been fixing the AP college football poll every week, it's because I don't bother to fix the AP poll's top 25 until after the final edition is released in January. When there are no more games to be played, there is no longer any wiggle room for ignoring head-to-head results and season-long performance. But before that, there can be plenty of room for wiggling.

For example, I don't think that 10-2 Tulane (#21) should be ranked in the top 25 at all, and I would certainly not rate them higher than fellow AAC members 9-2 Navy (#23) or 9-3 South Florida (#31 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll). Details on this issue are covered in the article below, but the short of it is that Tulane took an upset loss to a 6-6 team, and they did not defeat a rated or even nearly-rated opponent. However, Tulane plays 11-1 North Texas (#20) in the AAC Championship Game on Friday, so this issue will take care of itself one way or the other: If Tulane wins, then the sports writers will have been proven largely right and Tulane will have earned a spot in the top 25, and if North Texas wins, then Tulane will almost certainly fall out of the rankings anyway.

Obviously, while I will not fix the AP poll until January, it is late enough in the season that I now feel comfortable commenting on the weekly poll. I will go ahead and point out problems with the poll that would be outright errors if the season had ended this last weekend, and no more games were to be played. This can also give voters (in the AP or in any other poll) an idea of potential errors to avoid going forward.

Playoff Committee Rankings

UPDATED -- Comments on the 12-2-25 College Football Playoff rankings are now posted at the bottom of this article!

I will also add some comments on the playoff committee rankings to this article after that top 25 comes out on Tuesday, but only if there is anything in those rankings to address that is different than the issues with the AP poll that I am already addressing below.

Because the playoff committee will not be ranking teams in a final post-bowl top 25, I will not be fixing any of their rankings like I will the final AP poll top 25 in January, and for that reason, I will not be fully commenting on the playoff committee's top 25s.

Now let's get to commenting on the problems with the latest AP poll...

Texas > Texas A&M

Texas (#14) is 9-3 and Texas A&M (#7) is 11-1, but don't be fooled by those straight records: Texas should be ranked ahead of Texas A&M due to defeating the Aggies 27-17 this week. The only reason Texas has 3 losses and A&M 1 is because Texas played #1 Ohio State and #3 Georgia, while A&M did not play any higher-rated team. And because Texas A&M did not themselves play any team ranked in the top 5, Texas' losses to Ohio State and Georgia should be disregarded when comparing them to the Aggies. When you do that, both teams have 1 loss, with Texas holding the head-to-head tie-breaker. Texas did take one upset loss, to 4-8 Florida, but that is outweighed by their head-to-head win over A&M, especially when you consider that that head-to-head win came by more than a touchdown, and in the last regular season game, giving it even more weight.

But the AP poll really did Texas dirty, because they actually placed the Longhorns behind THREE teams they defeated. In addition to #7 Texas A&M, #14 Texas also beat #8 Oklahoma (10-2) and #13 Vanderbilt (10-2). And much like Texas A&M, both Oklahoma and Vanderbilt have better straight records than Texas does because, again, Texas played #1 Ohio State and #3 Georgia, and neither Oklahoma nor Vanderbilt played any top 5 opponents.

The AP poll has always relied way too heavily on straight records, and all that does is irrationally punish teams that play tougher schedules and reward teams that play weaker schedules.

Miami (Florida)

Speaking of rewarding teams that play weaker schedules, #12 Miami (Florida) may be 10-2, but they have only played 1 ranked opponent, so #12 is a tad high. Their losses both came to unranked teams (8-4 Louisville and 8-4 Southern Methodist), though they did make up for one of those with a win over a higher-rated team, #9 Notre Dame (10-2). Once you move Texas up ahead of Texas A&M, where they belong (as discussed above), the two teams ranked right behind Miami, 10-2 Vanderbilt and 10-2 Utah, both have better relevant records than Miami does because neither of them took any upset losses. Miami, Vanderbilt, and Utah may all be 10-2, but Vanderbilt played 3 ranked opponents, Utah played 2, and, again, Miami played just 1. So this is just another case of the AP poll rewarding a team for playing a weaker schedule. Miami should be ranked back behind Utah.

Before moving on, I'll address Miami vs. Notre Dame, as I've seen a lot of sports broadcasters the last few weeks question why 10-2 Notre Dame should be rated higher than 10-2 Miami, given the fact that Miami defeated Notre Dame 27-24 in their season-opener. Well, again, you cannot just look at straight records: Miami played 1 ranked team and Notre Dame played 4, so their schedules were not at all comparable. Notre Dame's 2nd loss came to a higher-rated team. Miami, again, took 2 upset losses to unranked teams, and their head-to-head win over Notre Dame only makes up for one of them. Both teams may be 10-2, but Notre Dame had a relevant record that was effectively one game better than that of Miami for the season. So Notre Dame should be ranked higher than Miami, as they are.

Virginia and Georgia Tech (and the ACC)

Miami isn't the only overrated ACC team, and in fact #16 Virginia (10-2) and #24 Georgia Tech (9-3) should not be rated at all. Like Miami, both Virginia and Georgia Tech have taken 2 losses to unrated opponents, but unlike Miami, neither Virginia nor Georgia Tech has beaten a rated team at all (let alone a higher-rated one). As such, neither Virginia nor Georgia Tech has accomplished anything worthy of a top 25 ranking, which is why neither should be ranked.

It should come as little surprise that the ACC is easily the worst of the 4 major conferences this season, posting a 41-25 record against nonconference opponents (the Big 12 is 37-9 at #3).

James Madison

#19 James Madison is an impressive-looking 11-1, but they haven't played a single rated team, and their one loss came 28-14 at 8-4 Louisville (tied for #34 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll). Louisville is by far the best team James Madison has played, and the loss was decisive, so I don't see any reason at all to pretend that that loss was an upset. James Madison should be ranked back behind Louisville, which is to say, nowhere near the top 25.

Arizona and Houston

#22 Arizona (9-3), much like Virginia and Georgia Tech (discussed above), took a pair of losses to unranked teams (9-3 Houston and 8-4 Iowa State), and they did not defeat a ranked opponent, so much like Virginia and Georgia Tech, Arizona should not be ranked.

9-3 Arizona should be dropped back behind 9-3 Houston, who beat them 31-28 in mid-October. Houston is currently sitting at #27 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll, but even that is too high a ranking for Houston. They have also taken a pair of losses to unranked teams (4-8 West Virginia and 8-4 Texas Christian), and other than Arizona (who should not be ranked), Houston has not beaten a ranked opponent.

There are a bunch of unranked teams that took fewer than 2 upset losses to unranked teams and that should be rated higher than Houston, including 9-3 South Florida, 7-5 Louisiana State, 8-4 Washington, and 8-4 Illinois (all discussed below).

Tulane

#21 Tulane (10-2) is also overrated, but they have a better case than do Virginia, Georgia Tech, and Arizona (as well as Houston), because all those teams took 2 upset losses to unranked teams, while Tulane suffered just one (48-26 at 6-6 Texas-San Antonio). As such, it is possible that Tulane merits inclusion in a top 25, but if so, it is just barely, and they should be rated more like #25 than #21.

Tulane's problem is that they have not beaten a ranked team, or even one of the 16 teams listed in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll, so they haven't really given much of a reason to rate them in a top 25. 9-2 Navy, who sits behind them at #23, took both their losses to ranked teams, giving them a relevant record that is effectively a game better than that of Tulane for the season, and Navy has beaten 9-3 South Florida (#31), so there is no reasonable doubt that Navy should be rated higher than Tulane.

Similarly, 8-4 Missouri (#25) and 8-4 Tennessee (#26) each took all 4 of their losses to rated teams, so they are each effectively a game better than Tulane for the season as well. I'll discuss these two in more detail below, as well as their fellow SEC team 7-5 Louisiana State, who took all 5 of their losses to rated teams, and who therefore also merits a higher rating than Tulane does.

Then there is 9-3 South Florida (#31 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll). Like Tulane, fellow AAC member USF took 1 upset loss to an unrated team (8-4 Memphis), but unlike Tulane, USF made up for their upset loss with a huge upset win over 11-1 North Texas (#20). South Florida should definitely be rated higher than Tulane as a result (USF also discussed further below).

Finally, we have 8-4 Washington and 8-4 Illinois, both of whom I would rate higher than Tulane. On the other hand, Washington has taken an upset loss, so this is a much closer case (Washington and Illinois discussed further below).

Having said all of that, Tulane is playing #20 North Texas (11-1) in the AAC Championship Game on Friday, and if they win that game, then the sportswriters will have been proven largely right, and Tulane will deserve a spot in the top 25. And if Tulane loses that game, they will almost certainly fall out of the top 25 anyway. So this issue should take care of itself one way or another.

Missouri and Tennessee

8-4 Missouri (#25) and 8-4 Tennessee (#26 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll) are both underrated. As covered above, Virginia, Georgia Tech, James Madison, Arizona, and Tulane have all taken losses to unrated teams (3 of them took 2 such losses), while Missouri and Tennessee each took all 4 of their losses to ranked teams (and in fact all of their losses came to teams ranked in the top 13!). Missouri and Tennessee therefore have better relevant records than do any of those teams, and they should be rated higher than all of those teams. Missouri and Tennessee have not beaten any rated opponents, but neither have any of the aforementioned teams that Missouri and Tennessee should be rated above.

The SEC, of course, is the nation's top conference, sitting at a blistering 56-8 against nonconference opponents.

South Florida

9-3 South Florida (#31 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll) is also underrated. Like Virginia, Georgia Tech, James Madison, Arizona, and Tulane, USF took a loss to an unrated team (Virginia, GT, and AZ all took 2 such losses), but unlike all those teams, USF made up for their upset loss with an upset win, and a huge one at that (63-36 at 11-1 North Texas, who is ranked #20). USF should therefore be rated higher than all those teams. It need hardly be said that South Florida should also be ranked higher than #28 Iowa (upset loss to unranked Iowa State, no wins against rated teams), #29 UNLV ("upset" loss to unranked Boise State, no wins against rated teams), and #30 New Mexico (2 "upset" losses to unrated teams, no wins against rated teams). I'll discuss Iowa, UNLV, and New Mexico in more detail below.

Louisiana State

This is pretty much the same issue as Missouri and Tennessee, discussed above. 7-5 Louisiana State did not receive a single vote in the AP poll, but all 5 of their losses came to ranked teams (all came to teams ranked in the top 13 in fact), so for the season LSU had a relevant record that was effectively one or two games better than those posted by Virginia, Georgia Tech, James Madison, Arizona, Tulane, Houston, Iowa, UNLV, and New Mexico.

And as previously noted, the SEC is the nation's top conference, 56-8 against nonconference opponents.

Washington and Illinois

8-4 Washington (tied for #39 in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll) did take an upset loss to an unranked team (4-8 Wisconsin), but that's still better than the teams that took 2 upset losses to unranked teams (Virginia, Georgia Tech, Arizona, Houston, UNLV, and New Mexico), and I think Washington deserves consideration for a spot in the bottom of the top 25. They posted a 42-25 win over 8-4 Illinois that I think is more impressive than what a lot of their competitors for the bottom of the top 25 accomplished.

But speaking of Illinois (#38), I think they deserve a spot in the bottom of the top 25 as well. Like Washington, Illinois took an upset loss to 4-8 Wisconsin, but Illinois made up for it with a big upset win over #17 Southern Cal.

Others Receiving Votes That Deserve Few or None

Here are some teams that are hanging out in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll who are hoping to win their bowl games and sneak into the final top 25, but unless they beat a highly-ranked team in their bowl game, I don't think any of these teams merit inclusion in a top 25, or even being as close as they are now. I discussed 9-3 Houston (#27) above, so we'll move down to...

8-4 Iowa (#28) took a loss to 8-4 Iowa State (discussed below), and I'd think that they should be rated behind ISU. Iowa did post some very impressively close losses to highly-ranked teams, but they just haven't beaten any opponent that's worth anything, and I don't think a team with an "upset" loss should be rated in the top 25 solely because they had some close losses to good teams. Of course, I also doubt that their "upset" loss to ISU was an upset.

10-2 UNLV (#29) took 2 "upset" losses, and they beat no one who is ranked or even close to being ranked. They also performed consistently poorly (5 close wins over unranked teams). UNLV isn't close to meriting a top 25 spot, nor top 30. Moreover, I don't think that either of their "upset" losses were upsets, and UNLV ought to be rated behind both of the teams that beat them, 9-3 New Mexico (discussed next) and 8-4 Boise State. Now, UNLV does get a second crack at Boise State in the MWC Championship Game on Friday, but even if UNLV wins that game, they will still have 2 upset losses to unranked teams, and no wins over rated or even near-rated teams, so even then UNLV would not merit a top 25 slot (or top30).

9-3 New Mexico (#30) has taken 2 "upset" losses to unranked teams (3-9 San Jose State and 8-4 Boise State), so they should not be this close to ranked either. And much like UNLV, I don't think that New Mexico's loss to Boise State was an "upset," and they should therefore be ranked behind Boise State (Boise State received no poll votes at all).

8-4 Southern Methodist (#32) owns a big win over #12 Miami (Florida), but ALL FOUR of their losses came to teams that are not only unranked, but nowhere to be found in the Others Receiving Votes section of the AP poll. Even if SMU draws a ranked opponent in their bowl game and wins that game, I don't see how they could possibly be considered a legit top 25 contender with 4 losses to unranked teams.

8-4 Iowa State (#33) may be fine at #33, or even a bit higher, with nice wins over 9-3 Arizona, 8-4 Iowa, and 8-4 TCU, but ISU has also taken 3 losses to unranked teams, so they are not a legit top 25 candidate.

Comments on the College Football Playoff Rankings 12-2-25

Over the years, more often than not, the College Football Playoff committee's top 25 has been equal to or better than the AP poll's rankings. The AP poll did a little better in their rankings than the CFP committee did after the Thanksgiving weekend games in 2020 and 2021, but both years, the following week the two ratings were more or less equal. Since then, the CFP committee has done a slightly better job than the AP poll has. Until now.

Today's CFP rankings showed 4 small differences from the AP poll's rankings in the top 17 (of both ratings), and the CFP committee made the better choice in 3 of the 4. But in the bottom of the top 25s, the AP poll destroyed the CFP rankings. It's like the CFP committee couldn't be bothered to pay much attention in the bottom of their top 25, and just penciled in the teams they felt like penciling in, with little regard for what those teams accomplished. There are 10 differences between the AP poll and CFP rankings at the bottom, and the AP poll made the better choice in NINE of the ten! So the total score is 12-4 in favor of the AP poll, a massacre. And this committee is who we are letting decide who goes to the playoffs and who doesn't?

I'm just going to go over the ten differences at the bottom of the top 25s. The rankings in the subheadings are from the AP poll (the ones past #25 are from the Others Receiving Votes section of the poll).

#19 James Madison

The CFP rating for James Madison is #25, and as discussed in the article above, James Madison should not be ranked, so this is the ONE issue of the ten covered here that the CFP committee handled better than the AP poll did.

#20 North Texas

The CFP rating of #24 may actually be closer to where North Texas belongs than #20, but the teams the CFP committee has chosen to place higher than them (Arizona, Tulane, Houston, Georgia Tech, and Iowa) are all bad choices (legitimate choices would be Missouri, Tennessee, LSU, USF, Washington, and Illinois). The AP poll makes none of those bad choices. I am most confused by the CFP committee placing 10-2 AAC team Tulane 4 places higher than 11-1 AAC team North Texas. The AP poll correctly places North Texas ahead of Tulane. Hey, committee: let's wait until Tulane beats North Texas in the AAC title game on Friday to move them ahead of UNT.

#21 Tulane

CFP rating #20. See the North Texas bit above on why the AP poll ranked Tulane better.

#22 Arizona

CFP rating #18. As discussed in the article above, Arizona should not be rated at all, so the AP poll, while wrong, did significantly better on Arizona than the CFP committee did.

#23 Navy

The CFP committee did not rank 9-2 Navy at all. I touched on Navy when discussing Tulane in the article above. Navy took no upset losses (Tulane lost to a 6-6 team), and their win over 9-3 South Florida is better than any Tulane win, so Navy ought to be ranked higher than Tulane (as well as the aforementioned Houston, Georgia Tech, and Iowa, all of whom suffered "upset" losses to unranked teams). The AP poll is on to something here. Hey, committee: let's wait until Navy is upset by Army in their finale to exclude them from the top 25.

#24 Georgia Tech

CFP rating #22. As discussed in the article above, Georgia Tech should not be rated at all, so the AP poll did a bit better here.

#25 Missouri

The CFP committee did not rank Missouri, and as discussed in the article above, I think Missouri should be rated, so the AP poll did a better job here as well.

#26 Tennessee

The CFP committee did not rank Tennessee, which may look the same as the AP poll, but we can see that the CFP rankings do include Houston and Iowa, both of whom the AP poll placed behind Tennessee in the Others Receiving Votes section. As discussed in the article above, the AP poll is correct on this one (but Tennessee should be rated).

#27 Houston

CFP rating #21. As discussed in the article above, Houston should not even be rated as highly as #27, so the AP poll did a massively better job on their rating of Houston than the CFP committee did.

#28 Iowa

CFP rating #23. As discussed in the article above ("Others Receiving Votes That Deserve Few or None"), 8-4 Iowa should not be rated, and probably belongs ranked behind 8-4 Iowa State. The AP poll's rating of Iowa is already too high, but at least it is a great deal better than the CFP committee's ranking of Iowa.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to to go look and see what goobers are on the committee this year. I'm guessing Kardashians?

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